Items for cash?

Real money trade is fine.

Also, zero people are fooled by the polite act. You might as well have registered as McGuyver. The only thing missing is a poll.

Wow. Sad.

Come on you two... we've ALL agreed that on THIS forum, there are rules we will ALL abide by and follow.

So far, I'm following them to the letter. I hope you both can turn over a new leaf and try to as well.

Thank you.

@whirlin said in Items for cash?:

Real money trade is fine.

Excellent. I'm thinking about subbing for a month and selling all my stuff I have on my multiple characters and didn't see anything in the TOS regarding GS items for cash sales.

Thank you for the clarification Whirlin.

@flimbo said in Items for cash?:

Also, zero people are fooled by the polite act. You might as well have registered as McGuyver. The only thing missing is a poll.

I know the history of the OP, but I think we need to give people here the benefit of the doubt until they've proven otherwise on this site specifically. Also, considering Simu's typical stance of being against cash sales of items and obvious GM participation on these forums, I'd say it was a valid question.

@viekn said in Items for cash?:

@flimbo said in Items for cash?:

Also, zero people are fooled by the polite act. You might as well have registered as McGuyver. The only thing missing is a poll.

I know the history of the OP, but I think we need to give people here the benefit of the doubt until they've proven otherwise on this site specifically. Also, considering Simu's typical stance of being against cash sales of items and obvious GM participation on these forums, I'd say it was a valid question.

Thank you viekn. Well said.

I'd also like to get Wyrom's opinion on this, since it's in direct conflict with their long standing stance on GS items for cash.

I went through the TOS a few times, and never found any prohibition against Cash sales. I believe the reason that Simutronics doesn't want it on the official forums is that they have no way to enforce the sale, or prevent somebody from just dashing with the money.

@archsenex said in Items for cash?:

I went through the TOS a few times, and never found any prohibition against Cash sales. I believe the reason that Simutronics doesn't want it on the official forums is that they have no way to enforce the sale, or prevent somebody from just dashing with the money.

This.

@maetriks PB isn't here becuase he's genuinely curious about this issue.

Yeah, but I figure there are probably others who are curious who might be afraid to ask, so no harm in having the discussion regardless.

@vishra said in Items for cash?:

@maetriks PB isn't here becuase he's genuinely curious about this issue.

I don't think your opinion of the reasons for his presence here should matter when it is a valid question that required a valid response.

No offense, but this type of attitude is generally why people have an issue with the PC.

New player run forums don't suddenly change years of precedence when it comes to cash sales.

Regardless, I agree that until somebody does something, here, that is a problem, they should be treated without any prejudice.

Heck, faking being nice is 80% of customer service.

As of current TOS for these boards, real money sales is fine. @Wyrom knows how to contact the admins and if he or anyone at Simutronics has an issue with it, they know how to contact us so that we can address it. Thanks for asking the question @Parkbandit as it's a valid concern when it comes to selling items in today's GSIV economy.

@alastir Right. He was the very definition of poison on PC and doesn't actually play, last I checked.

But I think the others are right that this should be a clean slate.

I was talking about cash sales... being the precedence...

@vishra said in Items for cash?:

@alastir Right. He was the very definition of poison on PC and doesn't actually play, last I checked.

But I think the others are right that this should be a clean slate.

I am forever in your debt time4fun, for allowing me a clean slate. I will do the same with you, given your less than perfect record on the other forums.

Also, I've been back to playing GS4 for a while now... not that it really should matter.

Thanks again!

@alastir said in Items for cash?:

New player run forums don't suddenly change years of precedence when it comes to cash sales.

Perhaps.. but since Wyrom is taking a far more active role in these "unofficial" player run forums and Simutronics has a very strict "No cash for GS items" policy, I thought it would be good to get clarification.

Thank you all!

@parkbandit said in Items for cash?:

Perhaps.. but since Wyrom is taking a far more active role in these "unofficial" player run forums and Simutronics has a very strict "No cash for GS items" policy, I thought it would be good to get clarification.

Isn't the "no cash for GS items" policy more of a legal buffer than something that has ever once in the history of GS been enforced? Ever? Except in that recent case where the cash used to pay for said item was stolen?

@sacru said in Items for cash?:

@parkbandit said in Items for cash?:

Perhaps.. but since Wyrom is taking a far more active role in these "unofficial" player run forums and Simutronics has a very strict "No cash for GS items" policy, I thought it would be good to get clarification.

Isn't the "no cash for GS items" policy more of a legal buffer than something that has ever once in the history of GS been enforced? Ever? Except in that recent case where the cash used to pay for said item was stolen?

I'm sure that is the real motivation behind it, since many GMs have sold items for real life cash in the past.

I just wanted to make sure I stay within policy before I sell anything.

@parkbandit I wouldn't necessarily say the motivation is because a GM or two may have sold an item for cash in the past, which is a highly inflammatory issue in and of itself. Not for me, considering the endless hours of DONATED time they provide to the player base. But perhaps it would be for those who believe that GM time is inherently less-valuable strictly because it is donated in many cases.

What I am referring to specifically is a legal buffer against a claim from a player claiming that Simutronics is liable for their personal losses incurred as part of a cash transaction that went bad, or where they feel they got screwed in some way when a cash-purchased item is devalued.

This is to benefit the group as a whole. If Simu were to take a hit from such a claim, we would feel that hit at the ground level same as an army of troops would feel the hit if their food-stores were bombed by enemy fighters because their generals were unable to adequately protect them.

Also, to be perfectly clear, my non-awareness of any enforcing of said rule does not equate to a non-enforced rule. Buyer or seller beware. Just saying it's possible that the motivation behind the rule itself is to add a level of crit padding to their fiscal or legal exposure in a more general sense, and that we as players also benefit from that in ways that most players do not comprehend (and honestly shouldn't have to, in most cases).

@sacru said in Items for cash?:

@parkbandit I wouldn't necessarily say the motivation is because a GM or two may have sold an item for cash in the past, which is a highly inflammatory issue in and of itself. Not for me, considering the endless hours of DONATED time they provide to the player base. But perhaps it would be for those who believe that GM time is inherently less-valuable strictly because it is donated in many cases.

What I am referring to specifically is a legal buffer against a claim from a player claiming that Simutronics is liable for their personal losses incurred as part of a cash transaction that went bad, or where they feel they got screwed in some way when a cash-purchased item is devalued.

This is to benefit the group as a whole. If Simu were to take a hit from such a claim, we would feel that hit at the ground level same as an army of troops would feel the hit if their food-stores were bombed by enemy fighters because their generals were unable to adequately protect them.

Also, to be perfectly clear, my non-awareness of any enforcing of said rule does not equate to a non-enforced rule. Buyer or seller beware. Just saying it's possible that the motivation behind the rule itself is to add a level of crit padding to their fiscal or legal exposure in a more general sense, and that we as players also benefit from that in ways that most players do not comprehend (and honestly shouldn't have to, in most cases).

Good points. I can't disagree with any of it.

You get an upvote!

@sacru said in Items for cash?:

@parkbandit I wouldn't necessarily say the motivation is because a GM or two may have sold an item for cash in the past, which is a highly inflammatory issue in and of itself. Not for me, considering the endless hours of DONATED time they provide to the player base. But perhaps it would be for those who believe that GM time is inherently less-valuable strictly because it is donated in many cases.

What I am referring to specifically is a legal buffer against a claim from a player claiming that Simutronics is liable for their personal losses incurred as part of a cash transaction that went bad, or where they feel they got screwed in some way when a cash-purchased item is devalued.

This is to benefit the group as a whole. If Simu were to take a hit from such a claim, we would feel that hit at the ground level same as an army of troops would feel the hit if their food-stores were bombed by enemy fighters because their generals were unable to adequately protect them.

Also, to be perfectly clear, my non-awareness of any enforcing of said rule does not equate to a non-enforced rule. Buyer or seller beware. Just saying it's possible that the motivation behind the rule itself is to add a level of crit padding to their fiscal or legal exposure in a more general sense, and that we as players also benefit from that in ways that most players do not comprehend (and honestly shouldn't have to, in most cases).

Yeah, that's pretty much it. They want no illusion of responsibility if anything happens, which is fine. They don't have to support it to not object.

When it comes to cash sales, this player-run forum is no different than the ex-player run forum, which also had Wyrom posting there. It was never deemed inappropriate there, I don't see why it would be deemed inappropriate here.

@flimbo said in Items for cash?:

Also, zero people are fooled by the polite act. You might as well have registered as McGuyver. The only thing missing is a poll.

@vishra said in Items for cash?:

Wow. Sad.

Geez the people on this forum are so mean! if i were a new player i would be very intimidated by this and would question if this is a community i want to be part of!

@parkbandit said in Items for cash?:

@viekn said in Items for cash?:

@flimbo said in Items for cash?:

Also, zero people are fooled by the polite act. You might as well have registered as McGuyver. The only thing missing is a poll.

I know the history of the OP, but I think we need to give people here the benefit of the doubt until they've proven otherwise on this site specifically. Also, considering Simu's typical stance of being against cash sales of items and obvious GM participation on these forums, I'd say it was a valid question.

Thank you viekn. Well said.

I'd also like to get Wyrom's opinion on this, since it's in direct conflict with their long standing stance on GS items for cash.

Hi @Parkbandit !!! It's great to see you here, @Parkbandit !!! I haven't made it to the end of the thread yet but I'd still like to help, so here goes! And if you've already been helped, @Parkbandit , even better!

I recall a post on the officials from @Wyrom maybe a year or two ago where he (paraphrased) they don't give a {BLEEP} about cash sales!

@vishra said in Items for cash?:

@alastir Right. He was the very definition of poison on PC and doesn't actually play, last I checked.

But I think the others are right that this should be a clean slate.

That's not nice @Vishra and you should say you're sorry! So mean and hateful that's not what this place is about! I'd say you should be ashamed of yourself but that might be mean too so I won't!

Anyway @Parkbandit I hope I was able to help and I hope everyone has the best day ever! Hugs to everyone especially @Vishra ! i look forward to us both turning over a new leaf together and being the people Mr. Rogers knows we can be, and i am very excited!